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Pocket PC Forum / End Users / Multimedia / January 2004Streaming Radio?
Anyone can help me? I have download RealPlayer for Mobile and install to my PPC dell Axim 3i. I want to listen to http://www.rfa.org/service/audio.html?service=khm But when I click OPEN LOCATION it gives me "rtsp://" instead of "http://" and it didn't work even I change to "http://". Thanks. Mony S You might want to note that http://www.rfa.org/service/audio.html?service=khm is not the URL of the stream. If you mouse over the real audio icons you can see the actual address. For instance, the first one is: pnm://real.rfa.global.speedera.net/real.rfa.global/ProgName-KHM-2004-0102-07 30.rm See if that address will open. Also, you can try loading the page in Internet Explorer on your device and then clicking on which program you want.  SignatureDave MS-MVP - Mobile Devices www.davespda.com > Anyone can help me? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks. > Mony S So, then how to listen to that link on PPC? pnm://real.rfa.global.speedera.net/real.rfa.global/ProgName-KHM-2004-0102-07 > You might want to note that > http://www.rfa.org/service/audio.html?service=khm is not the URL of the > stream. If you mouse over the real audio icons you can see the actual > address. For instance, the first one is: pnm://real.rfa.global.speedera.net/real.rfa.global/ProgName-KHM-2004-0102-07 > 30.rm > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Thanks. > > Mony S Did you try opening the link in Real Player? SignatureDave MS-MVP - Mobile Devices www.davespda.com > So, then how to listen to that link on PPC? pnm://real.rfa.global.speedera.net/real.rfa.global/ProgName-KHM-2004-0102-07 > > You might want to note that > > http://www.rfa.org/service/audio.html?service=khm is not the URL of the > > stream. If you mouse over the real audio icons you can see the actual > > address. For instance, the first one is: pnm://real.rfa.global.speedera.net/real.rfa.global/ProgName-KHM-2004-0102-07 > > 30.rm > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > Thanks. > > > Mony S Does the Real Player for Windows Mobile support http streams? The version for PPC2002 doesn't. This can be a real (no pun intended) pain if you are using a wireless LAN and router to connect your PPC to the internet. The problem is that most (all?) wireless Routers that support NAT don't/can't support rtsp either. The desktop version of the Real player doesn't have this problem so currently I'm using Windows Media Encoder on my desktop PC to convert and re-broadcast the stream! I play the station on my desktop computer using the desktop version of the RealOne player (I assume the player automatically drops down to http protocol?). Then I set up WME to use my sound card as the source and broadcast the stream on a suitable port. Then I simply fire up WMP on my PPC and do an open URL or set it up as a favourite. After buffering for a few seconds it works! > Did you try opening the link in Real Player? > > > So, then how to listen to that link on PPC? pnm://real.rfa.global.speedera.net/real.rfa.global/ProgName-KHM-2004-0102-07 > > > You might want to note that > > > http://www.rfa.org/service/audio.html?service=khm is not the URL of the > > > stream. If you mouse over the real audio icons you can see the actual > > > address. For instance, the first one is: pnm://real.rfa.global.speedera.net/real.rfa.global/ProgName-KHM-2004-0102-07 > > > 30.rm > > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > Thanks. > > > > Mony S Actually I have no problems with rtsp over nat, real player on my ppc can play rtsp streams just fine on my network and i'm behind a nat firewall. As a matter of fact I can play rtsp streams on my wireless laptops and wireless ppc's. Real player is the same for ppc 2002 & 2003 and that's the problem. Most sites are using http streaming not rtsp so real player on the ppc is just about useless. Eric Hicks > Does the Real Player for Windows Mobile support http streams? The version > for PPC2002 doesn't. This can be a real (no pun intended) pain if you are [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > > > > So, then how to listen to that link on PPC? pnm://real.rfa.global.speedera.net/real.rfa.global/ProgName-KHM-2004-0102-07 > > > > You might want to note that > > > > http://www.rfa.org/service/audio.html?service=khm is not the URL of > the > > > > stream. If you mouse over the real audio icons you can see the actual > > > > address. For instance, the first one is: pnm://real.rfa.global.speedera.net/real.rfa.global/ProgName-KHM-2004-0102-07 > > > > 30.rm > > > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > Mony S > Actually I have no problems with rtsp over nat, real player on my ppc can > play rtsp streams just fine on my network and i'm behind a nat firewall. I'd love to know how to get that working as everything I've managed to find on the subject (which isn't much) says it doesn't work. Did you have to make any changes to your router/firewall? Do you need uPnP support etc I didn't have to configure anything on the router at all. I don't use uPnP and have it disabled on my router as well. The one thing that I have found was that it's hard to stream some real audio rtsp streams onver bluetooth. I was trying to help someone over at brighthand with this. I was able to play the video stream fine on my ipaq over wifi but when I tried to do it over bluetooth I got an error. If i'm ont mistaken the video came from reals ppc site which is access from real on the ppc. I'll hunt down some rtsp streams and give them a try then post them here so you can give them a try. Maybe we can find a way to get you going. SignatureEric Hicks > > Actually I have no problems with rtsp over nat, real player on my ppc can > > play rtsp streams just fine on my network and i'm behind a nat firewall. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Did you have to make any changes to your router/firewall? Do you need uPnP > support etc For a couple of real audio streams that work on a ppc see: http://www.pocketpcmedia.nl/real.php3 I still dont really know what NAT is, but on my wireless linksys router a/p , the realmedia links work great. When my ppc is stationed in the cradle however, realone for ppc doesnt seem to recognize the media. It works over wifi and bluetooth. Also take in mind that realone for pocketpc doesnt support streams with a higher bitrate then 200kbs > I didn't have to configure anything on the router at all. I don't use uPnP > and have it disabled on my router as well. The one thing that I have found [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Did you have to make any changes to your router/firewall? Do you need uPnP > > support etc Anyone want to try the BBC radio streams on their wireless PPC and NAT router for me? http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/ If you can get any to work it must be my set up (D-Link DI-624). > For a couple of real audio streams that work on a ppc see: > http://www.pocketpcmedia.nl/real.php3 [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > uPnP > > > support etc Ok I'm listening to a stream right now from the link you posted. Here were my steps. 1 Entered url into pocket ie 2 Selected listen to Radio 1 3 New page opens with embedded real player but that doesn't work on the ppc so I scroll down and select "Having problems listening live? Click Here>>> 4 Download prompt for rlive.ram comes up and I click yes (make sure the open file after download box is checked) 5 Real player opens, starts loading the stream and it starts playing. I'm using a different nat router now than I was before but it works with either. Give that a try and let me konw how you make out. SignatureEric Hicks > Anyone want to try the BBC radio streams on their wireless PPC and NAT > router for me? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > bluetooth. > > > I was trying to help someone over at brighthand with this. I was able > to > > > play the video stream fine on my ipaq over wifi but when I tried to do [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > uPnP > > > > support etc worked for me to luckyone > Ok I'm listening to a stream right now from the link you posted. Here were > my steps. [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > > uPnP > > > > > support etc No luck for me. .I have an IPAQ 3660 upgraded to PPC2002, Win Media 8 and an 802.11b WLAN. At step 5 the player loads and says "connecting" then "loading". There is lots of activity on the WAN led of my router but after a short wait the player status says "Shuttingdown" and I get Error; "Response or data from server timed out". Same thing on both Radio 1 and 4. My player preferences -> Network are : 802.11b 11mbps No RTSP proxy Out of interest what do your connection settings look like? I have everything set to "Work settings" and "My network card connects to work". My ISP's proxy details are set correctly. > worked for me to > luckyone [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > > > uPnP > > > > > > support etc I use a vpn to get to my work and home network so my settings are different. I have the top one set to bluetooth which works with my phone and the bottom one set to my home vpn. I have a ipaq 3760 with ppc 2002 on it, I'll load realplayer on it and see happens. Eric Hicks > No luck for me. .I have an IPAQ 3660 upgraded to PPC2002, Win Media 8 and an > 802.11b WLAN. [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] > > > > > uPnP > > > > > > > support etc Hi, I'm using an iPAQ 3970 WM2003 and step 4 (below) doesn't work completely. Is there a system setting I need to enable, or something else? Thanks, Bill > Ok I'm listening to a stream right now from the link you posted. Here were > my steps. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 4 Download prompt for rlive.ram comes up and I click yes (make sure the open > file after download box is checked) I see the "open file after d/l" box but it doesn't allow me to place a checkmark in it. Anyone know why?? > 5 Real player opens, starts loading the stream and it starts playing. > > I'm using a different nat router now than I was before but it works with > either. Give that a try and let me konw how you make out. I have a 3970 with ppc 2003 as well, I'll try the steps on my 3970 and give it a try. Eric Hicks > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > I'm using a different nat router now than I was before but it works with > > either. Give that a try and let me konw how you make out. When I tried it, I had just downloaded Real 1 baiter version 2.0.0.28, one thing it will not play in the cradle not shore why get a time out from the sever ? ipac 4150 ppc2003 I have no problem playing Virgin radio with Windows Media player when in the cradle Luckyone > I have a 3970 with ppc 2003 as well, I'll try the steps on my 3970 and give > it a try. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > > I'm using a different nat router now than I was before but it works with > > > either. Give that a try and let me konw how you make out. You may need to go into activesync and make sure that passthrough is set to "internet" Tools>Options>Rules SignatureEric Hicks > When I tried it, I had just downloaded Real 1 baiter version 2.0.0.28, one > thing it will not play in the cradle not shore why get a time out from the [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > with > > > > either. Give that a try and let me konw how you make out. Internet or Work it still will not work when docked? it is getting out to the internet as virgin radio works when docked and wifi off Luckyone > You may need to go into activesync and make sure that passthrough is set to > "internet" [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > with > > > > > either. Give that a try and let me konw how you make out. That could actually be a problem with real player itself. I had a stream that I was testing for someone that worked fine over wifi but didn't work over bluetooth. The stream wasn't that large of a stream at all and should've been fine over bluetooth but real wouldn't play it. SignatureEric Hicks > Internet or Work it still will not work when docked? it is getting out to > the internet as virgin radio works when docked and wifi off [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > > with > > > > > > either. Give that a try and let me konw how you make out. Eric, Thanks....any success...?? --Bill > I have a 3970 with ppc 2003 as well, I'll try the steps on my 3970 and give > it a try. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >>>I'm using a different nat router now than I was before but it works with >>>either. Give that a try and let me konw how you make out. Bill, I just tried my steps with my 3970 and it did work. when I clicke the link on the site I got a download prompt for r1live.ram then i selected "yes" for pocketie to download the file and then open after download. I did discover that the clip wouldn't play while in the cradle which is the problem Luck One is having. So it seems that real player has issues playing some clips over bluetooth and thru the cradle. I'll have to charge my 3760 up with ppc 2002 and try it with wifi, I don't have a cradle for my 3760 anymore. SignatureEric Hicks > Eric, > [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > >>>I'm using a different nat router now than I was before but it works with > >>>either. Give that a try and let me konw how you make out. Thanks for the info. I hate to beat a dead horse but what happens on my iPAQ is that the rlive.ram file requests the download and I see the "open file after d/l" box but the checkbox doesn't allow me to place a checkmark in it. Subsequently the file doesn't come in and the stream never plays. I'm wondering if it's a system setting on the iPAQ WM2003?? > Bill, > I just tried my steps with my 3970 and it did work. when I clicke [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > up with ppc 2002 and try it with wifi, I don't have a cradle for my 3760 > anymore. That's strange although i've had that happen to me before but I don't remember what I did to correct it. So once you select yes to download the file nothing happens? If it won't let you open the file after download from that prompt try opening real player and do a file open and see if it finds the file. Also what version of real player are you running? From the about screen in real on my 3970 it says 2.0.0.28 SignatureEric Hicks > Thanks for the info. I hate to beat a dead horse but what happens on my > iPAQ is that the rlive.ram file requests the download and I see the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > up with ppc 2002 and try it with wifi, I don't have a cradle for my 3760 > > anymore. Eric, RealOne begisn to load the file then I get the error "response or data from server timed out" and it stops loading anything. The version I have loaded onto the iPAQ 3970 is also 2.0.0.28. Any ideas?? Thanks, Bill > That's strange although i've had that happen to me before but I don't > remember what I did to correct it. So once you select yes to download the > file nothing happens? If it won't let you open the file after download from > that prompt try opening real player and do a file open and see if it finds > the file. Also what version of real player are you running? From the about > screen in real on my 3970 it says 2.0.0.28 Hi Bill Just a tought under Options then Preferences did set Network to Type 802.11B and Bardwidth 11mps Luckyone > Eric, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > the file. Also what version of real player are you running? From the about > > screen in real on my 3970 it says 2.0.0.28 My iPAQ 3660 with PPC2002 does exactly the same thing. Do let us know if you find an answer (I'll do the same). > Eric, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Any ideas?? Thanks, Bill It looks like it might be our router or it's settings (I'm using a D-Link DI-624). See this thread... http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread/t-30285.html This site explains the error (but doesn't offer a solution) http://service.real.com/help/player/realone/pocketpc/realone.html#connectiontose rvertimedout "Response or data from server timed out RealOne Player has terminated its connection to the server. This may occur because of network problems such as packet loss or data call termination" Colin > Eric, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > the file. Also what version of real player are you running? From the about > > screen in real on my 3970 it says 2.0.0.28 I've just spent 3 hours adjusting with my routers firewall settings along the lines mentioned in the following article.. http://www.optimalstream.net/docs/Firewalls.html but nothing worked. In the end I put my PPC in the DMZ briefly and it still doesn't work! I still get "response or data from server timed out". This both from the BBC streams and those on the Real Player test site. Because someone mentioned changing the settings to CDMA I also tried that (eg setting up the player preferences -> Network to CDMA and lowish bit rates). That didn't work either although if I set it too slow I get "clip not playable" instead (or something like that). Is there another player that I could try that will handle RealMedia streams? Colin > It looks like it might be our router or it's settings (I'm using a D-Link > DI-624). See this thread... > > http://www.aximsite.com/boards/showthread/t-30285.html > > This site explains the error (but doesn't offer a solution) http://service.real.com/help/player/realone/pocketpc/realone.html#connectiontose rvertimedout > "Response or data from server timed out > RealOne Player has terminated its connection to the server. This may occur [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > about > > > screen in real on my 3970 it says 2.0.0.28 Now tried both versions of the player 1.0 and 1.1. Well I've given up. Tried it from the iPAQ cradle and the same thing happened...timeout error. I've tweaked every possible setting allowable with the software on my pc and the ppc with no success. I removed RealOne and will simply live without streaming multimedia unless I read of a cure. Thanks to all who offered recommendations. --Bill > Now tried both versions of the player 1.0 and 1.1. |
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