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Cannot stream RealAudio to Pocket PC

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Stewart - 22 May 2004 12:45 GMT
Hi,

Using RealOne Player version 2.0.0.28 on an IPAQ 4150, is it possible to
stream live real audio from the web to my pocket PC using this player ?

For example, if I try to stream a live feed from the BBC Radio 4 website
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/realplayer/media/fmg2.ram) to my pocket PC,
my pocket pc prompts me to download the file 'fmg2.ram', but gives me no
option to stream it.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Stewart
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Mike Berro - 23 May 2004 06:58 GMT
Download the .ram file (making sure you add the ".ram" suffix if it
doesn't), then use file explorer to click on the downloaded file. The Real
Audio player should then stream the file. It's worked for me, but I haven't
tried this site.

---Mike
http://www.todayplayer.com

> Hi,
>
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> Stewart
CWatters - 03 Jun 2004 13:09 GMT
> Download the .ram file (making sure you add the ".ram" suffix if it
> doesn't), then use file explorer to click on the downloaded file. The Real
> Audio player should then stream the file. It's worked for me, but I haven't
> tried this site.

That's not possible is it, I mean the "file" he referred to is actually a
stream.

I suspect the problem might have something to do with the way you connect.
Does the Real player for PPC work with firewalls for example? Last time I
tried (a year ago) there was a problem with streaming through a NAT
firewall. The only way I managed to connect to the BBC using my PPC was to
stream it on my desktop PC and use Windows Media Encoder to re-broadcast to
the PPC on the inside of my firewall. Not exactly a tidy solution.
CWatters - 03 Jun 2004 13:11 GMT
See also the recent post by "RS" and the replies from MVPs
Daniel Rosenzweig - 06 Jun 2004 17:35 GMT
Regarding not being able to stream via NAT...

I was streaming via a Netgear wireless router just fine... I
then got a D-Link VoIP router (TA) and now I can't stream... (even
after turning the W-router into a switch (turned off DHCP)..
I wasn't able to stream over another wireless router last year (don't
rememver whch one)... For some reason it seems to work over some
routers and not others...

I've emailed D-Link/Real to see if they can tell me something..
hopefully some magical setting I can set on the router... :-)
Otherwise, I may have to wait a few months until they support putting
the VoIP router (TA) behind another router (they are working on
it...)...

I was searching for the posts by "RS" and replies frmo MVPs and
couldn't fine it... Maybe it hasn't made it to Google Groups yet...
Could you give me some other text to search for?

Thanks

> See also the recent post by "RS" and the replies from MVPs
cunninji - 10 Jun 2004 22:41 GMT
This was an extremely useful post and solved my problem. Thank you - I was
becoming obsessed with this:-)
I have been attempting to stream to an HP4150 running RealOne with no
success.
This is solved by port mapping. The attached section from Draytek help
explains this:

When running NAT (Network Address Translation) the Vigor router takes the
single public IP address, allocated by your ISP and automatically passes
data between it and the local PCs on your private local network. However,
with only one address visible to the outside world, external users cannot
address specific local PCs inside your network.

Therefore, an 'unsolicited' TCP/IP packet to your Internet IP address
would arrive at your router but then the router wouldn?t know who,
locally, the packet is intended for.

What is the difference between Port Mapping, Open Ports and DMZ ?
In the previous section, we discussed port mapping to allow internal
network devices (e.g. servers) to be accessible from the Internet. The
Vigor router actually supports three variants of port mapping methods, as
follows :
Port Redirection - The packet is forwarded onto a specific local PC if the
port number matches that defined. You can also translate the port to
another port locally.
Open Ports - As Port Redirection (above) but allows you to define a range
of ports.
DMZ Host - This opens up a single PC completely. All incoming packets will
be forwarded onto the PC with the local IP address you set. The only
exceptions are packets received in response to outgoing requests from
other local PCs or incoming packets which match rules in the other two
methods.
When using combinations of these three systems, there is a priority
structure; i.e. if a rule in one method co-incides with a rule in another
method, then there is strict precidence, so that the result should be
predictable. The precidence is as follows :
Port Redirection   >   Open Ports   >   DMZ

For example, if an incoming packet's port number matches a rule in both
'Port Redirection' and 'Open Ports' then the packet will be forwarded onto
the local address defined in 'Port Redirection'.
CWatters - 16 Jun 2004 11:00 GMT
> This was an extremely useful post and solved my problem. Thank you - I was
> becoming obsessed with this:-)
> I have been attempting to stream to an HP4150 running RealOne with no
> success.
> This is solved by port mapping. The attached section from Draytek help
> explains this:

Sorry if I'm being dumb but I thought last time I looked at this you had to
open up a very large number of ports to get it to work. Isn't that kinda
defeating the purpose of having a firewall or doesn't it compromise
security?
Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media] - 03 Jun 2004 19:16 GMT
>> Download the .ram file (making sure you add the ".ram" suffix if it
>> doesn't), then use file explorer to click on the downloaded file. The Real
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>That's not possible is it, I mean the "file" he referred to is actually a
>stream.

Agree with rest of points, but a quick correction Colin, a .ram file
(referenced above) is a metafile which just contains one or more lines
of media content URLs. So technically he can download the .ram file
(in any case I think it's saved by Real player PPC because updated
streams don't get updated as the .ram file is cached rather than
re-read)

If you open a .ram file on your desktop (right click link, save-as),
lets say in notepad you can see there are just URLs in there pointing
to the actual streaming content. The .ram file is there for old
versions of real player so that they pick up the file even if the mime
type set by the server isn't picked up by the browser as associated
with the player.

Cheers - Neil
CWatters - 03 Jun 2004 21:57 GMT
> Agree with rest of points, but a quick correction Colin, a .ram file
> (referenced above) is a metafile which just contains one or more lines
> of media content URLs. So technically he can download the .ram file

Ok thanks for putting me straight.

Colin
 
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