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bluetooth set-up craziness.... plz help!

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John Martin - 29 Nov 2003 13:49 GMT
I've been trying for months to set up bluetooth access between my PCs and
iPaq 3970 - i'm beginning to wonder whether this is actually possible! (and
if it isn't, why not?!) :

My set-up is as follows:

Machine A : WinXP "server" - running ICS. Has a LAN card and MSI USB
bluetooth key (with latest drivers). Network connections (bluetooth and
ethernet) are bridged.

Machine B : Connected via wired lan to machine A. Runs ActiveSync.

Machine C (laptop) : Also has an MSI bluetooth key - running winxp, i can
browse the internet and have full network access from this machine using
bluetooth. (This works beautifully!)

iPaq : This is where i have problems! I want to be able to connect to the
bluetooth network access on machine B, just like i can with the laptop, so
that I can get access to network drives and use the shared internet
connection. Ideally, i'd also like to then be able to activesync with
machine A, over the network. Is this possible with the iPaq?  It seems that
bluetooth networking is not a problem with the usb bluetooth adapters,
because the WinXp laptop has no problems connecting to the network via
bluetooth. (I'm actually sending this message over bluetooth network
now!)....

The iPaq has no problems finding machine B, and has been paired. I can
"connect to network access" - and it comes up on the iPaq saying it's
authenticated and then "connected" - but doesn't seem to have access to
anything! I've tried disabling firewalls on each machine, which has made no
difference. Although the iPaq is supposedly connected, it doesn't seem to do
anything, and can't be seen from any other machine on the network either.
Could this be anything to do with the network WorkGroup name? I haven't
found anywhere on the iPaq to specify a workgroup (all i can find is the
"device name").

I've also tried manually specifying the ip address of the server
(192.168.0.1) in each of the (very confusing) "network adapter" properties
under iPaq "connections" but this didn't seem to make any difference... Why
must the config on the iPaq be so confusing!? Is this any better in ppc2003?

Does anyone know how/if this can be done? I've read various "guides"
already, including those at geekzone, but can't seem to find anything that
helps.

The iPaq is a 3970, running PPC2002 (still waiting for my upgrade that i
ordered ages ago... ;(

Any help greatly appreciated - this is the last time i'm going to struggle
with this. I've tried it so many times before without luck... I just can't
believe that if the laptop can do it, then why should the iPaq have so many
problems?! grrr

John.
David Hettel MS  MVP - Mobile Devices - 29 Nov 2003 19:33 GMT
John if you are running the 3970 PPC 2002, with the standard Bluetooth
drivers I do not think you can do what you want to. By upgrading the
Bluetooth drivers you could get a "Bluetooth PAN User Driver" With this
driver you can do what you want to, without it, I do not think you can. I
haven't tried it with the MSI drivers. Have tried it with upgraded drivers
and it worked.

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> I've been trying for months to set up bluetooth access between my PCs and
> iPaq 3970 - i'm beginning to wonder whether this is actually possible! (and
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John Martin - 29 Nov 2003 20:05 GMT
Sounds great! Could you please tell me (either via this n/g or email) where
I can get these upgraded drivers from?

Many thanks.

John Martin

> John if you are running the 3970 PPC 2002, with the standard Bluetooth
> drivers I do not think you can do what you want to. By upgrading the
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Mauricio Freitas - 29 Nov 2003 21:39 GMT
John, David's correct, but you have more than one problem there.

First The H3970 with PPC2002 will not be a client in your LAN, but can use
the ICS to access the internet. Have a look in our Bluetooth Guides to check
how to do this: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449 You'll
find guides for Pocket PC OS 2002 (one for H3970 and one for H5450).

The MSI drivers you have probably allow this type of connection now, so
don't hurry to upgrade.

Are you running ANY personal firewall (including the Windows XP one ) on
that machine with Bluetooth? Zone Alarm, Symantec Desktop and NIS are really
bad for this. Even when disabled they interfere with some internal
communications. You have to uncheck the option to start the software when
the computer starts to make this work properly - terrible stuff.

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Bluetooth guides: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449

> Sounds great! Could you please tell me (either via this n/g or email) where
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Helio Diamant - MS-MVP/Mobile Devices - 30 Nov 2003 07:49 GMT
David, Mauricio,

I remember that in the past the MSI drivers would not accept bridging the
Bluetooth connection with a network connection. If this is still the case,
John's problem may be in the fact that he is bridging the connection (he
stated that in his first post).

Does the new version of the driver support bridging the BT connection with
the home network connection?

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John Martin - 30 Nov 2003 08:58 GMT
Well, the MSI driver seems to support bridging, in that i have bridged the
bluetooth and wired lan connections on machine A, and can then access
everything on the entire network when connected via the bluetooth network
from the laptop. As i said in my original post, the bluetooth network itself
seems to work fine, the only problem seems to be with the ipaq.

I'm still interested to know what/where these updated ipaq drivers are... I
found various broken links referring to a file at billionton called
CFBTCE-N.zip, which i eventually managed to find elsewhere, but my ipaq
wouldn't let me install it! Whenever the ipaq installer came up, the new
drivers were not listed in the programs to install, which according to the
installer, meant that the software was not intended for use with this
device! Can anyone please help me find these updated drivers for a UK iPaq
3970?

Thanks

--J

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Mauricio Freitas - 30 Nov 2003 10:26 GMT
John, the file you've found is an updated driver that is actually similar to
the ones on H5450 and newer iPAQs (including H3970 with Windows Mobile
2003).

Just because it's not listed it doesn't mean it'll not work. Tap the
Bluetooth icon on your Pocket PC andcheck the version. If it's 1.1 then it's
the original one, otherwise the new one.

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> Well, the MSI driver seems to support bridging, in that i have bridged the
> bluetooth and wired lan connections on machine A, and can then access
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John Martin - 30 Nov 2003 10:37 GMT
I'm still stuck with version 1.1 on the iPaq...

The problem is with the install program that runs from the PC... It does the
usual step of "retrieving application info" from the device, but then just
lists the apps that are already installed, rather than giving me the option
of installing the bluetooth drivers. The installer doesn't seem to want to
install these drivers onto this iPaq. I've tried looking for ways to "fool"
the installer, but haven't found anything yet.

So the installer is not actually getting as far as making any changes to the
device. After listing what's already installed, the only option is to
"finish" - at which point the iinstaller just closes without making any
alteractions.

Help!

> John, the file you've found is an updated driver that is actually similar to
> the ones on H5450 and newer iPAQs (including H3970 with Windows Mobile
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John Martin - 30 Nov 2003 11:26 GMT
Woohoo!

Well, i now have installed the wonderful, shiny new bluetooth software!
Turned out it just would not install from the exe file to run on the PC...
But if i interrupted the install, went into the temp directory and copied
the cab files to the ipaq, i could install the cab from there.

One soft reset later, and i've now got the new bluetooth software, and
connected to the bluetooth lan, and can browse the internet and network
resources from the ipaq!!! hurrah!!! (I've had to set all the internet
settings on the iPaq to use "work settings")

The only thing left to fight with now is the ActiveSync settings.... ...
...!!!

Thanks for the help!

PS - if anyone else wants the updated drivers, and doesn't want to fight to
find them like i had to, you can get them from:

http://www.billionton.com.tw/website/download/step3.asp?id=29

The package (qhich is quite a big download), actually includes ppc2002 and
ppc2003 drivers. I downloaded the BluetoothN version, i'm not sure what the
difference with th bluetoothB version is.

Anyway, this is the closest i've ever got to getting things up and running,
so i'm happy for the time being!!

John.

> I'm still stuck with version 1.1 on the iPaq...
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