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Using a Camera with PPC for Photos of Documents

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Betty - 28 Apr 2004 22:51 GMT
I am having a hard time finding a document scanner to work with my iPaq
4155.  Has anyone used a camera to take document photos?  If so, what camera
did you use and how did you overcome memory storage issues?
Vance Green - 29 Apr 2004 03:30 GMT
The current crop of PPC based cameras are
nothing but low-res toys, and will not be able
to do what you need.

Look for a REAL digital camera, 5MP or larger.

> I am having a hard time finding a document scanner to work with my iPaq
> 4155.  Has anyone used a camera to take document photos?  If so, what camera
> did you use and how did you overcome memory storage issues?
Todd Ogasawara, MVP Mobile Devices - 29 Apr 2004 20:26 GMT
I disagree (partly at least).

Current CF/SD cameras are definitely lower-res than standalone cameras.
However, I suspect that some of the 1 megapixel cameras can probably do
pretty well for tasks like grabbing an image of a document. In any case, I
do not think that Betty limited her question to just CF/SD cameras or
scanners.

You definitely do not need a 5 megapixel camera just to photograph a
document. In fact, even the lower-end 1 or 2 megapixel cameras do a quite
decent job of that kind of task.

Betty: Hop down to your nearest retail store with CF/SD cameras and ask if
you can test it in-store to see if it meets your needs. If not, take a look
at some of the reasonably priced 2 megapixel cameras with a storage card
type that is compatible with your PPC (SD or CF). You can reduce file sizes
by choosing a lower resolution (say 1 megapixel) and setting the camera to
take high contrast grayscale images.

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> The current crop of PPC based cameras are
> nothing but low-res toys, and will not be able
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> camera
> > did you use and how did you overcome memory storage issues?
Vance Green - 30 Apr 2004 03:12 GMT
> I disagree (partly at least).
>
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> document. In fact, even the lower-end 1 or 2 megapixel cameras do a quite
> decent job of that kind of task.

You do if the doc is 8 x 10 or larger and has 10pt
(or less) text on it....and you don't wanna guess at
that word you can't quite decipher
on your screen *later*.

Far better to have more res. than you need, than
the other way  'round.

> Betty: Hop down to your nearest retail store with CF/SD cameras and ask if
> you can test it in-store to see if it meets your needs. If not, take a look
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> > camera
> > > did you use and how did you overcome memory storage issues?
Todd Ogasawara, MVP Mobile Devices - 30 Apr 2004 10:21 GMT
Sorry, you are still incorrect. You do not need a high resolution digital
camera to take readable photos of a printed page. In fact, one of the
problems in places like Japan where camera phones have been available longer
than in the US, there is the problem of people taking photos of magazine
pages instead of buying the magazine.

To prove the point, I took a quick snapshot of a magazine page under a
pretty awful lighting condition (single off center light in my workroom with
the magazine on my chair seat) using a low-priced 2 megapixel camera with
the flash turned off. You can find the image at...

http://mobileviews.com/temp/paperpage.jpg

If you use Internet Explorer, it may resize it to fit the page (make it
smaller). So, place your cursor at the lower right hand corner of the image
until you see a box with four arrows pointing inwards. Click on this little
box to see the image at full resolution. You will find the text quite
readable.

> > I disagree (partly at least).
> >
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> > > camera
> > > > did you use and how did you overcome memory storage issues?
Vance Green - 01 May 2004 03:35 GMT
OK, point conceded.

I must admit, the last time I tried this with a
<2MP camera was a while ago, and the results were
pretty bad, hence my bias against them.

I wonder, are the optics of the PPC based cameras
up to this task?

> Sorry, you are still incorrect. You do not need a high resolution digital
> camera to take readable photos of a printed page. In fact, one of the
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> > > > > did you use and how did you overcome memory storage issues?
Todd Ogasawara, MVP Mobile Devices - 02 May 2004 10:31 GMT
Vance: Good question. It really depends on the CF/SDIO camera used. I have
not tried the newer 1 megapixel units. But, I tested a bunch of the 640x480
(and one 800x600) units and found a lot of variance in quality. You can find
a bunch of comparison photos I took with these CF cameras (plus some camera
phones) at:

http://mobileviews.com/merlin/reviews/cfcameras.htm

....todd

> OK, point conceded.
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Tedd Riggs - 11 May 2004 16:40 GMT
Hi Todd !
   Long time !

   I would have never thought what you said about taking the low res. photo
of that magazine page would work and be readable until you posted the photo
on your URL (http://mobileviews.com/temp/paperpage.jpg) my "old opinion" was
that you would need a 3 MP or higher has just been readjusted by that .jpg
you posted. Thanks for the update !

   I decided to take it one step farther and print part of the page using
only medium resolution on my HP Deskjet 970 Cse and ran it thru my old HP
ScanJet 6300C using just the basic OCR software provided and was nicely
surprised that out of all that was scanned, only two errors. I would say
that is pretty darn good for a shot with low light/no flash !

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>> Sorry, you are still incorrect. You do not need a high resolution digital
>> camera to take readable photos of a printed page. In fact, one of the
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>> > > > > did you use and how did you overcome memory storage issues?
James Guion - 29 May 2004 21:17 GMT
Hi Todd,

I have an HP Ipaq 4155.

Just go the new HP r707 camera which I am very impressed with.

Using 5mp images in the document mode you can cycle through images really
quickly.

Plus they both use SD card technology which makes life easier.

cheers,
James

> Hi Todd !
>     Long time !
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> >> > > > > did you use and how did you overcome memory storage issues?
Betty - 01 May 2004 03:51 GMT
Thanks, Todd,

That photo looks good enough for me. Appreciate the help.   :)

Betty

> Sorry, you are still incorrect. You do not need a high resolution digital
> camera to take readable photos of a printed page. In fact, one of the
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> > > > camera
> > > > > did you use and how did you overcome memory storage issues?
 
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