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Ipaq H4355 Operating System Backup

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jeffambrose424@gmail.com - 29 Jan 2008 02:01 GMT
Hi, I bought a used HP Ipaq 4355 which the seller said came with
Windows
Mobile 2003 and the Pocket PC Companion Cd 4300.  The cd only has
activesync and outlook with some other programs.  There is no
operating
system included.  I want the operating system.  Can anyone tell me
where I
can buy or find Windows Mobile 2003?  I'm not sure this is the
operating system
my H4355 is running off of, because I'm completely new to pocket pcs,
but
I'm relying on the specs I was told.

I have a recovery disc for my laptop, incase I need to reinstall the
operating
system, and I have Windows XP Professional beside my desktop, incase
I need to reinstall my desktop.  Now, all I want is the pocket pc's
operating
system at home incase I have a problem and need to reinstall the
operating
system.

All I know is I have heard the operating systems for pocket pcs are
very
model specific.

Maybe as an alternative, I can make an image of the whole ROM/
harddrive
on the H4355 and restore it ?  How do I do that safely?  Bluetooth is
working.

Can anyone help?

Thank-you to all
Todd Allcock - 29 Jan 2008 03:24 GMT
> Hi, I bought a used HP Ipaq 4355 which the seller said came with
> Windows
> Mobile 2003 and the Pocket PC Companion Cd 4300.  The cd only has
> activesync and outlook with some other programs.  There is no
> operating
> system included.

Correct.  The PPC's OS (WM2003 in the case of the 4355) is burned in the
device's ROM.  It's not supposed to be on the CD.

> I have a recovery disc for my laptop, incase I need to reinstall the
> operating
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> operating
> system.

The OS never needs to be "reinstalled."  To get back to a virgin "just
installed" out-of-the-box state, you hard-reset the HP (probably by holding
down the power button and poking the reset hole, then following the on-
screen prompt- check the on-disc owner's manual to be sure.)  This wipes
all added programs, data, etc. and leaves the original ROM image.

In the PPC world, that's an OS "reinstall."
jeffambrose424@gmail.com - 29 Jan 2008 15:33 GMT
> Correct.  The PPC's OS (WM2003 in the case of the 4355) is burned in the
> device's ROM.  It's not supposed to be on the CD.

I figured my logic based on desktops and laptops didn't apply.
Welcome to PPC's.

> The OS never needs to be "reinstalled."  To get back to a virgin "just
> installed" out-of-the-box state, you hard-reset the HP (probably by holding
> down the power button and poking the reset hole, then following the on-
> screen prompt- check the on-disc owner's manual to be sure.)  This wipes
> all added programs, data, etc. and leaves the original ROM image.
> In the PPC world, that's an OS "reinstall."

Very smart.  I like that.   . .now...

1. In what instances can the device's ROM get corrupted or effected?
Say, if I slide a SD card in with Internet downloaded apps/software,
if a virus
is on it, can it reach the ROM?  I've noticed replacing a ROM is like
buying
the whole unit again (much like the LCD screen)
Todd Allcock - 29 Jan 2008 21:12 GMT
> 1. In what instances can the device's ROM get corrupted or effected?

The ROM itself really can't be "corrupted" (short of a hardware failure in
a ROM chip itself.)  However, errant programs can certainly mess things up
to a point where the device won't boot or run properly.  

> Say, if I slide a SD card in with Internet downloaded apps/software,
> if a virus
> is on it, can it reach the ROM?

A theoretical question- there are no known PPC viruses.  

>  I've noticed replacing a ROM is like
> buying
> the whole unit again (much like the LCD screen)

The ROM can be re-written with specialized software supplied by the
manufacturer.  That's how the units are upgraded to newer versions.
Youmight even check HP's website to see if there's a newer version for your
unit.
jeffambrose424@gmail.com - 29 Jan 2008 21:42 GMT
> The ROM itself really can't be "corrupted" (short of a hardware failure in
> a ROM chip itself.)  However, errant programs can certainly mess things up
> to a point where the device won't boot or run properly.

That's where I want to be able to make "backups" of the entire drive,
or restore points, as it were.  I've made 3 soft resets already, and
have taken the battery forcibly out when it hanged on bluetooth.

> The ROM can be re-written with specialized software supplied by the
> manufacturer.  That's how the units are upgraded to newer versions.
> Youmight even check HP's website to see if there's a newer version for your
> unit.

I haven't checked yet, but I would want to pin down my backing up
procedure
first before I have a comfort level for upgrading.  And I would need
to know
the benefit holds enough reward.  I'm not sure, but do you know off
the top of
your head if the H4355 rom chip is enough to handle Windows Mobile
5.0 ?
Probably an easy question, I just haven't checked elsewhere.
Todd Allcock - 29 Jan 2008 22:51 GMT
> That's where I want to be able to make "backups" of the entire drive,
> or restore points, as it were.  I've made 3 soft resets already, and
> have taken the battery forcibly out when it hanged on bluetooth.

Since it's a WM2003 device, there should be a backup program already
included by HP (iPaq Backup?) that backs up all user data (programs,
Outlook data, files, etc.) to your SD card.


> > The ROM can be re-written with specialized software supplied by the
> > manufacturer.  That's how the units are upgraded to newer versions.
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> 5.0 ?
> Probably an easy question, I just haven't checked elsewhere.

AFAIK, there's no WM5 upgrade, official or unofficial for the 43xx series-
the 47xx series has one, but not 43xx.
jeffambrose424@gmail.com - 30 Jan 2008 02:53 GMT
> At 29 Jan 2008 13:42:23 -0800 jeffambrose...@gmail.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> AFAIK, there's no WM5 upgrade, official or unofficial for the 43xx series-
> the 47xx series has one, but not 43xx.

No loss I gather.  The 4355's intended purpose (Outlook syncing,
pocket word
usage, wifi, bluetooth, occasional picture viewing, email via wifi) is
working so I'm
okay with that.  WM5 devices tend to be higher in price, and it's not
clear
what I'm gaining in that area, short of not losing data when the
battery dies.

This h4355 does have "ipaq backup" on it, which I've used with the SD
card.
I thought that what was meant was a sort of imaging software for the
whole
ROM/drive, like acronis true image or something.

I should say though, the WLAN running off of battery is mightily
dissapointing.
I dropped 2% in power just in, like, 2 minute.  Very dissapointed.
I'm opting to buy a car adapter and to carry the ac adapter (model is
called i-go, not HP, which makes me a tad nervous it will damage the
Ipaq...but has charged the battery ok) when I want to use WLAN
in public places.  It'd be like plugging in my laptop though (!)
(frown)

(Thanks for teaching me AFAIK...)

What's your take on all this?  Adapters safe?  Any way to reduce
battery consump?
I have noticed turning off my backlit keyboard saved a mighty bunch.
What else, hm.  Disabling WLAN when not needed has helped.
lgadbois - 30 Jan 2008 02:59 GMT
Turn down the Brightness on your screen to the minimum you need. With the
brightness down, you should get about 2 hours runtime using Wi-Fi.

>> At 29 Jan 2008 13:42:23 -0800 jeffambrose...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
> I have noticed turning off my backlit keyboard saved a mighty bunch.
> What else, hm.  Disabling WLAN when not needed has helped.
jeffambrose424@gmail.com - 30 Jan 2008 03:27 GMT
> Turn down the Brightness on your screen to the minimum you need. With the
> brightness down, you should get about 2 hours runtime using Wi-Fi.

I'll give it a strong try.  Lowest I can go is one bar from "off".

Are there any H4355 emulators that run off the desktop out there?
That way I can test pocket pc downloads for compatibility.
Todd Allcock - 30 Jan 2008 05:15 GMT
> > AFAIK, there's no WM5 upgrade, official or unofficial for the 43xx series-
> > the 47xx series has one, but not 43xx.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> what I'm gaining in that area, short of not losing data when the
> battery dies.

And frankly, even THAT "feature" is a double edged-sword.  Sure, it's nice
not to have to worry about losing data to a flat battery, but it comes at a
price- speed.  The "permanent" flash-based storage of modern devices is
infinitely slower than the battery-backed RAM of older devices.  My WM2003
opened my contacts (about 600) virtually instantly, whereas my WM6 phone
takes 6 or 7 seconds before one can be selected.  Opening and closing
documents was almost instantaneous on my '03, but takes several seconds on
my WM6.  One of the facelifts WM6 got was a prettier spinning "wait" circle
when the device is busy.  I suspect the programmers saw it in WM5 so often
compared to WM2003 that they felt the need to make it prettier!

> This h4355 does have "ipaq backup" on it, which I've used with the SD
> card.
> I thought that what was meant was a sort of imaging software for the
> whole
> ROM/drive, like acronis true image or something.

No- again, the base ROM is permanent and unchangable, so only changes
(registry, for example) and files you add are backed up.


> I should say though, the WLAN running off of battery is mightily
> dissapointing.
> I dropped 2% in power just in, like, 2 minute.  Very dissapointed.

I find that WiFi easily cuts battery life in half or worse.  My old PPC
2002 Audiovox Maestro, which barely ran 4 hours without wireless, lasted
just over an hour with a WiFi card inserted!    

> I'm opting to buy a car adapter and to carry the ac adapter (model is
> called i-go, not HP, which makes me a tad nervous it will damage the
> Ipaq...but has charged the battery ok) when I want to use WLAN
> in public places.  It'd be like plugging in my laptop though (!)
> (frown)

There are some neat, cheap, portable chargers out there.  I used to carry
one I bought on eBay that was a plastic shell that held 4 rechargable AA
batteries and had a cord ending in an iPaq power plug (my 2002 Maestro and
2003 Dell Axim both used "standard" iPaq-sized power sockets.)  4
rechargeable AA's put out 5 volts- just what the PPCs ask for.  (4 alkaline
AA's put out 6V- the Dell seemed to be ok with it, but the Audiovox's
charging light would flash red, which indicated overheating, so I stuck
with rechargables, or in an emergency, stuck 3 new AAs with a dead one to
drop closer to 5V.)

My new toy is a 2000mAh rechargeble battery pack with 2 USB power ports
that plugs right into a wall (mains) outlet.  On trips I just carry that
and USB charge cables for my stuff (WM phone, Zunes, GPS, etc.)  

> (Thanks for teaching me AFAIK...)
>
> What's your take on all this?  Adapters safe?

Sure.  Modern equipment has to really be abused to be damaged.  Most
electronics have on board voltage regulators that just get hot if you
overload them.  Probably not out of the kindness of manufacturer's hearts
as much as trying to avoid an in-warranty repair when you accidentally plug
the wrong adapter into the wrong device.  Most Nokia phones, for example,
will accept anything from 3.6V to 12V and still charge ok.  

> Any way to reduce battery consump?
> I have noticed turning off my backlit keyboard saved a mighty bunch.
> What else, hm.  Disabling WLAN when not needed has helped.

Nothing more significant than you've already covered, but turning off
Bluetooth (if you've got it) and Infrared (Settings/Connections/Beam and
uncheck "receive all incoming beams" will help a little, but I just got
used to keeping a car charger in the car, and an auxilliary battery pack
packed for trips.

Enjoy the new toy!
jeffambrose424@gmail.com - 30 Jan 2008 16:57 GMT
> And frankly, even THAT "feature" is a double edged-sword.  Sure, it's nice
> not to have to worry about losing data to a flat battery, but it comes at a
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> when the device is busy.  I suspect the programmers saw it in WM5 so often
> compared to WM2003 that they felt the need to make it prettier!

If price was not a factor, I'd opt for the WM6.  Probably.

> No- again, the base ROM is permanent and unchangable, so only changes
> (registry, for example) and files you add are backed up.

What "is" the registry on this thing?  I mean, I'm not seeing "add
remove"
or "restore points", so I can't revert to a past state can I ?
Or wait...I think I did see add/remove.

> I find that WiFi easily cuts battery life in half or worse.  My old PPC
> 2002 Audiovox Maestro, which barely ran 4 hours without wireless, lasted
> just over an hour with a WiFi card inserted!

And here I thought getting a SDIO wlan card would use less battery,
but I guess it's taking more.

> There are some neat, cheap, portable chargers out there.  I used to carry
> one I bought on eBay that was a plastic shell that held 4 rechargable AA
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> with rechargables, or in an emergency, stuck 3 new AAs with a dead one to
> drop closer to 5V.)

Amazing, so you're saying I could use my energizer rechargies which I
own for my digital camera, and hook it up to power my Ipaq H4355?

What keyword would you recommend I use on Ebay to find one?
Man oh man, I'd hate to pile too much money in accessories into this
thing.
Kinda makes me nervous though to use a "non-HP" endorsed
power source.

> My new toy is a 2000mAh rechargeble battery pack with 2 USB power ports
> that plugs right into a wall (mains) outlet.  On trips I just carry that
> and USB charge cables for my stuff (WM phone, Zunes, GPS, etc.)

Yea, my HP cradle won't charge the battery without an DC power
adapter,
and it didn't come with one, I'm heading out to Radio Shack to buy one
so I can charge it while it's cradled.

Before you go....a 1000 and 1 questions.

I installed ActiveSync 3.7 this morning, and got really nitty gritty
to get into
the question of "How much was this purchase really worth it".
I got a few questions.  I just know someone's gonna say "Jeff, start
a
new thread!"

1. Activesync 3.7 worked with Outlook 2002 without problems.
I got Outlook 2002 to download my gmail emails okay.  But ActiveSync
says my emails are synced on my Ipaq H4355 when they're not.
So,I added a new email account on WM2003 manually when it was in
the cradle and USB.  That worked.  It downloaded all my emails,
no problem.  Thus begins a few questions.
1.1:  Can I have *multiple* gmail accounts synced to the 4355 ?
1.2:  What went wrong?  Why won't activesync work but it's on board
WM2003 did?
1.3:  Any non-Microsoft software you recommend?  People used to
recommend pocomail for desktops. ...any equiv. for ppc's?
1.4:  Sending emails won't work.  I tried to send one on the WM2003
/Ipaq H4355, and it said "The message(s) could not be sent. check
that you have network coverage and that your account information
is correct.  Then try sending again." This was after it successfully
received emails without WLAN on from the USB/Cradle.

2. Any way to get a landscape mode?  Annoying when on WLAN and I have
to scroll left, right, left, right, left right.

3. I installed Opera Mobile 8.65 this morning too.  Works nice.
Faster
and bookmarking easier.
3.1:  Can I print pdfs of the webpages I'm looking at?   I use
docucom
pdf printer from Paperport Pro on my desktop, works good 90% of
the time.
3.2:

4.:   On my desktop I frequently "ALT-TAB" between programs.
Can WM2003 do that?  I constantly check my battery health while
I'm browsing but hate to "x", "x" back and forth.
4.1:  Can I minimize windows?

5.:   What in the world is the difference between "Ipaq Main Memory"
and "Ipaq File Store"?  (I tend to use SD card to be safe, however)

I feel like I asked too many questions.  Shame on me.

Why would you need several Zunes?  Coulden't help but wonder.
Todd Allcock - 30 Jan 2008 18:45 GMT
> > No- again, the base ROM is permanent and unchangable, so only changes
> > (registry, for example) and files you add are backed up.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> or "restore points", so I can't revert to a past state can I ?
> Or wait...I think I did see add/remove.

The backups you make are your only "restore points."  There's a "Remove
Programs" applet to uninstall programs, and the registry is a file
containing program, system, and user settings, just like on a Windows PC.
You need third-party software to edit it directly- there's no included
"regedit" app like in XP.

> Amazing, so you're saying I could use my energizer rechargies which I
> own for my digital camera, and hook it up to power my Ipaq H4355?

Sure.


> What keyword would you recommend I use on Ebay to find one?

Generally they're called "battery eliminators" for whatever reason, since
they don't "eliminate" the need for a battery!

> Man oh man, I'd hate to pile too much money in accessories into this
> thing.
> Kinda makes me nervous though to use a "non-HP" endorsed
> power source.

Do what feels comfortable- generally a good middle ground is to stick to
"name brand" 3rd-party stuff- i.e. Belkin, i-Go, Monster, etc.  Personally,
I'm less nervous about it, but a no-name eBay purchase probably carries a
slight risk.

> Before you go....a 1000 and 1 questions.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I got Outlook 2002 to download my gmail emails okay.  But ActiveSync
> says my emails are synced on my Ipaq H4355 when they're not.

They probably are, according to Activesync.  AS only syncs mail in
Outlook's main "Inbox"- not any other Inboxes (like Inboxes under
individual accounts.)

> So,I added a new email account on WM2003 manually when it was in
> the cradle and USB.  That worked.  It downloaded all my emails,
> no problem.  Thus begins a few questions.
> 1.1:  Can I have *multiple* gmail accounts synced to the 4355 ?

Sure.  Given that your 4355 has WiFi, I don't see the need for "synching" e-
mail with your PC- that's a holdover from the days when PPCs had no other
connectivity except desktop sync.  With WiFi, you can update your GMail
whenever you're near WiFi.

> 1.2:  What went wrong?  Why won't activesync work but it's on board
> WM2003 did?

The GMail account on the 2003 probably isn't an Activesync account- it's
using "real" e-mail (POP/IMAP.)  ActiveSync doesn't retrieve e-mail on your
device- it just sort of "copies" e-mails to/from the device.

> 1.3:  Any non-Microsoft software you recommend?  People used to
> recommend pocomail for desktops. ...any equiv. for ppc's?

I use QMail- it's free, and handles e-mail, Usenet (I'm posting this with
my WM6 phone,) and RSS.

The author is Japanese, so while the program menus are in English,
documentation isn't!  
> 1.4:  Sending emails won't work.  I tried to send one on the WM2003
> /Ipaq H4355, and it said "The message(s) could not be sent. check
> that you have network coverage and that your account information
> is correct.  Then try sending again." This was after it successfully
> received emails without WLAN on from the USB/Cradle.

Your settings are probably just wrong.  GMail requires SSL for Outgoing, (I
don't remember if 2003 handles SSL- on newer devices it's under the
Outgoing Settings Button that's greyed-out unless you select "Use Separate
Settings for Outgoing"


> 2. Any way to get a landscape mode?  Annoying when on WLAN and I have
> to scroll left, right, left, right, left right.

Not without 3rd-party apps (NYDITOT, for example.)  Landscape didn't go
"native" until WM2003SE (Second Edition.)

> 3. I installed Opera Mobile 8.65 this morning too.  Works nice.
> Faster
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> pdf printer from Paperport Pro on my desktop, works good 90% of
> the time.

All PPC printing is third party, expensive, and I'm unaware of any print
apps that support PDFs.  Usually people sync, beam or e-mail doctuments
that need to be printed to a "real" computer.

> 4.:   On my desktop I frequently "ALT-TAB" between programs.
> Can WM2003 do that?  I constantly check my battery health while
> I'm browsing but hate to "x", "x" back and forth.

3rd-party.  Google Pocket PC Task Manager.  There are zillions of free
ones.  I like vBar- it's small and adds a tiny battery level and memory
usage icon up next to the "X".

> 4.1:  Can I minimize windows?

God no!  The display is tiny as it is!


> 5.:   What in the world is the difference between "Ipaq Main Memory"
> and "Ipaq File Store"?

Main Memory is battery-backed RAM, File Store is permanent memory (sort of
a tiny "SD card" built in to the device.)
>  (I tend to use SD card to be safe, however)

SD cards can go bad!  I used to occasionally copy my Backup file to my
Axim's file store as a redundant backup.

> I feel like I asked too many questions.  Shame on me.

No worries.


> Why would you need several Zunes?  Coulden't help but wonder.

They come in different colors!  ;-)

Seriously, it's a simple equation:  Three kids+ Long Plane flights=
Multiple Zunes.  (Amazon sold them embarrassingly cheap this Christmas.)  I
never really use them myself- my WinMo device has perfectly adequate
multimedia capabilities for my needs, but it was far cheaper to outfit the
kids with $99 Zunes than $300 PPCs!  (I actually only bought two Zunes- my
youngest uses my old WM2003 Dell Axim PPC.  My wife and I can use our
current WinMo phones as "iPods".  On a long plane ride, the family that
avoids each other doesn't annoy each other!  ;-)
jeffambrose424@gmail.com - 30 Jan 2008 20:38 GMT
> Generally they're called "battery eliminators" for whatever reason, since
> they don't "eliminate" the need for a battery!

I'm emailing several ebay sellers who sell eliminators to see if
they carry one for Ipaq h4355, because no hits so far.

> They probably are, according to Activesync.  AS only syncs mail in
> Outlook's main "Inbox"- not any other Inboxes (like Inboxes under
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> connectivity except desktop sync.  With WiFi, you can update your GMail
> whenever you're near WiFi.

Right you are.  I managed to get 3 gmail accounts sync'ing just fine,
on my wifi connection through my linksys router.
I expect ActiveSync to only work with one solo Gmail account from
now on, and like you said only from the one inbox folder.
(darn. . . )

> I use QMail- it's free, and handles e-mail, Usenet (I'm posting this with
> my WM6 phone,) and RSS.

I'm checking it out.   (Pen in hand..Qmail....nyditot....vbar....
google pocket pc task manager....)

> Your settings are probably just wrong.  GMail requires SSL for Outgoing, (I
> don't remember if 2003 handles SSL- on newer devices it's under the
> Outgoing Settings Button that's greyed-out unless you select "Use Separate
> Settings for Outgoing"

Yea, that's got my stumped so far.  By far the biggest problem
tonight.
I went back to it after your post, and there aren't any "SSL" options
on
WM2003 far as I can see, but yes, in Outlook on my desktop that was
enabled before it could work.

Oh noooo, I hope this doesn't mean I can never send emails on my
new ipaq h4355.....(I know the web based ones are covered)....
oh my....maybe an addon/applet to add ssl funcationality....
sounds like another thread

> > 2. Any way to get a landscape mode?  Annoying when on WLAN and I have
> > to scroll left, right, left, right, left right.
> Not without 3rd-party apps (NYDITOT, for example.)  Landscape didn't go
> "native" until WM2003SE (Second Edition.)

And I have to flash my ROM if I want to upgrade, right?
Is it worth it?  Benefits?

> 3rd-party.  Google Pocket PC Task Manager.  There are zillions of free
> ones.  I like vBar- it's small and adds a tiny battery level and memory
> usage icon up next to the "X".

Speaking of which, what top 5 to 10 websites do you
recommend for free but powerful/useful/practical pocket
pc apps?  I'm big on productivity software, not so much
with games, battery drain and all.

> God no!  The display is tiny as it is!

Yea, got a point there.

> > 5.:   What in the world is the difference between "Ipaq Main Memory"
> > and "Ipaq File Store"?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> SD cards can go bad!  I used to occasionally copy my Backup file to my
> Axim's file store as a redundant backup.

I'll use File Store from now on then.  Along with the SD card.
Space permitting, I'll copy the backup file to my file store
too.

> > Why would you need several Zunes?  Coulden't help but wonder.
>
> On a long plane ride, the family that
> avoids each other doesn't annoy each other!  ;-)

Words to live by.

Only one thing I forgot to ask (and a few thousand more)...
because my logic is rooted in desktops and laptops....
where do I monitor "harddrive" space?  Can I install
software on an SD card and slide it in when I want to
use it?  Or am I always taking from the "HD" space, like
in a desktop/laptop?....I know where to monitor memory
space.

Maybe this device will prove more useful than I thought.
Hm, 4 years ahead, provided 801.2b doesn't become
unavailable when new standards kick in and backwards
compatibility is not there.

(Jeff silently thinks, 'I've got to find that AA battery
pack.....would ease a lot of concerns.')
T Shadow - 30 Jan 2008 21:14 GMT
> > Generally they're called "battery eliminators" for whatever reason, since
> > they don't "eliminate" the need for a battery!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> (Jeff silently thinks, 'I've got to find that AA battery
> pack.....would ease a lot of concerns.')

If you can use something larger get a 12 volt battery pack sold for
emergency charging a car battery. Plug your car adapter into it. Mines about
2X2X10. Awkward but long lasting and can be used with more than one device.
I am a bit skeptical about the car starting thing though.
Todd Allcock - 30 Jan 2008 23:39 GMT
> I'm emailing several ebay sellers who sell eliminators to see if
> they carry one for Ipaq h4355, because no hits so far.

You'll probably need the HP charger adapter for the 4355- (a little plastic
plug with a sync connector on one end, and the round coax socket like the
cradle has for DC input on the other.)  One probably came with the unit
originally.  Unfortunately, replacements aren't cheap- $15 on HP's site.

> Right you are.  I managed to get 3 gmail accounts sync'ing just fine,
> on my wifi connection through my linksys router.
> I expect ActiveSync to only work with one solo Gmail account from
> now on, and like you said only from the one inbox folder.
> (darn. . . )

I used to solve that in the "old days" by creating "rules" in Outlook to
copy all new e-mails from my various accounts into my Inbox (with
subfolders for each e-mail account) so they'd all sync to my PPC.  In these
wireless days, I don't bother.

> Yea, that's got my stumped so far.  By far the biggest problem
> tonight.
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> oh my....maybe an addon/applet to add ssl funcationality....
> sounds like another thread

You'll need a different e-mil client, then. QMail supports GMail fine.
Flexmail should as well.

> And I have to flash my ROM if I want to upgrade, right?
> Is it worth it?  Benefits?

Yes, you'll need to flash it (which erases everythingyou've done.)  There's
a ROM 1.10 at HP, but it's still WM2003- likely just a few bug-fixes.  You
might check the device's "about" page to see if you've got 1.10 (instead of
1.0) already.

> Speaking of which, what top 5 to 10 websites do you
> recommend for free but powerful/useful/practical pocket
> pc apps?
> I'm big on productivity software, not so much
> with games,
> battery drain and all.

www.freewareppc.com, www.pocketpccity.com, plus www.handango.com and
www.pocketgear.com list both commercial and freeware software.


> Only one thing I forgot to ask (and a few thousand more)...
> because my logic is rooted in desktops and laptops....
> where do
> I monitor "harddrive" space?

In the memory applet.  You'll note a "slider" display showing "program
memory" and "storage memory."  The weird thing about (older) PPCs is that
memory use is dynamic.  The 64MB (or whatever) RAM on your device is shared
between storage ("hard drive") and program memory ("RAM.")  The more
software you install to main memory, reduces the RAM available to run those
programs in.  On a PPC your hard drive is simply a section of RAM!  You can
change how much by moving the slide, but you don't have to- the PPC handles
that automatically as needed.

> Can I install
> software on an SD card and slide it in when I want to
> use it?  Or am I always taking from the "HD" space, like
> in a desktop/laptop?....I know where to monitor memory
> space.

Programs stored on SD generally don't consume storage memory (I say
"generally" because some will store .dlls, drivers, etc. in main storage
regardless.)
jeffambrose424@gmail.com - 31 Jan 2008 02:35 GMT
> You'll probably need the HP charger adapter for the 4355- (a little plastic
> plug with a sync connector on one end, and the round coax socket like the
> cradle has for DC input on the other.)  One probably came with the unit
> originally.  Unfortunately, replacements aren't cheap- $15 on HP's site.

I'll look into it.  I sprang $8 already for a DC adapter so my cradle
could charge the Ipaq.

> I used to solve that in the "old days" by creating "rules" in Outlook to
> copy all new e-mails from my various accounts into my Inbox (with
> subfolders for each e-mail account) so they'd all sync to my PPC.  In these
> wireless days, I don't bother.

Good idea, I'll try that if I want to use Outlook as a central
station.

> > Yea, that's got my stumped so far.  By far the biggest problem
> > tonight.
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> You'll need a different e-mil client, then. QMail supports GMail fine.
> Flexmail should as well.

Yea, this area has proved to be the largest problem so far.
Most time consuming.  Well, I'll give Flexmail a try.
Qmail intimidated me a bit in it's set up, seemed lengthy to get
on board, and I'm a techie.

I just went back to Qmail (the cr.yp.to faq and life with qmail)
and I wish there was a step by step, ppc ipaq h4355
wm2003 setup guide.  Hmm.  It's not simplified.

All I want is really, really simple.  Several gmail accts. to
wm2003 via outlook or wlan, sending and receiving.

> Yes, you'll need to flash it (which erases everything you've done.)  There's
> a ROM 1.10 at HP, but it's still WM2003- likely just a few bug-fixes.  You
> might check the device's "about" page to see if you've got 1.10 (instead of
> 1.0) already.

Version 4.20.0 (Build 13252) 1996-2003
Processor Intel (R) PXA255

Product Revision Level:  1.0
ROM Date 10/23/03
ROM Revison:  1.00.07 ENG
OS Version Windows CE 4.20

> www.freewareppc.com,www.pocketpccity.com, pluswww.handango.comandwww.pocketgear.comlist both commercial and freeware software.

Many thanks, gonna be fun.

> In the memory applet.  You'll note a "slider" display showing "program
> memory" and "storage memory."  The weird thing about (older) PPCs is that
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> change how much by moving the slide, but you don't have to- the PPC handles
> that automatically as needed.

I figured as much.  About the only place I could have guessed.

I get the feeling you prefer older PPC's to the newer ones. . . .

> Programs stored on SD generally don't consume storage memory (I say
> "generally" because some will store .dlls, drivers, etc. in main storage
> regardless.)

So there *ARE* programs running of SD cards exclusively.  Nice.
Now do they say they do that, or use terminology to say that
in their programs descriptions?  (SD native, or something like that)
jeffambrose424@gmail.com - 31 Jan 2008 03:36 GMT
UPDATE:
I installed nyditot, and quit using it because it req. a soft reset
after each
time I wanted to go landscape for Opera use.  Any way to avoid the
soft reset or is there another prg. that does the same job without a
reset?

I installed NewsBreak tonight.  Wonderful app.  Woulden't have found
it
without your great help, so a big thanks for you tonight.
(Only noteworthy tidbit, the today plug in is not working, leaves
a blank white line on my today screen.  For anyone interested.
So on the 3rd install, I didn't choose to use it.)

So the way I'm looking at it is, I love to run apps which let me
download the data I need so I can enjoy it offline.  So a WLAN
connection
for 10 - 20 mins. is more than enough time to update my emails,
news feeds/rss, etc., maybe podcasts, and I can use my soon to be
purchased car adapter to read it offline.  Just gotta get email
*sending* to
work so I can actually reply to people. . . . so I can easily re-
connect
to wlan, and upload quickly my email replies.
jeffambrose424@gmail.com - 31 Jan 2008 03:42 GMT
UPDATE #2:

Okay, spoke a little too soon.  Do you know of an app that does
Newsbreak's
job, but downloads full text articles?  That's just as nice for
wm2003 ?
I realized the short headlines are gonna make me want wlan anyways so
I can
read the full article. . . . .(frown)
jeffambrose424@gmail.com - 31 Jan 2008 03:46 GMT
UPDATE #3:

LOL....update, update, update....

Anyways, I chose Opera to not be my default browser.  Mistake.
Do I have to edit the registry to make my default browser now?
I searched before I asked.

(phew)
Todd Allcock - 31 Jan 2008 07:15 GMT
> UPDATE #3:
>
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>
> (phew)

Probably.  First you might try reinstalling Opera (it should pick up it's
old settings upon reinstall,) then deselect the "use Opera as the default
browser" checkbox, then uninstall again after you verify PIE is the default
again.

If that doesn't work, install a registry editor (regedit from phm.lu, or
Total Commander from ghisler.com) and change the reference to Opera's path
in the following keys to iexplore.exe:

HKCR\http\shell\open\command
HKCR\https\shell\open\command
HKCR\htmlfile\shell\open\command.

(Leave the "%1"s and anything else after the path to Opera- just replace
the "\StorageCard\Opera\Opera.exe" or whatever with iexplore.exe.)

Good luck!
Todd Allcock - 31 Jan 2008 07:01 GMT
> UPDATE:
> I installed nyditot, and quit using it because it req. a soft reset
> after each
> time I wanted to go landscape for Opera use.  Any way to avoid the
> soft reset or is there another prg. that does the same job without a
> reset?

Not as far as I know- that's why I never stuck with NYDITOT.


> So the way I'm looking at it is, I love to run apps which let me
> download the data I need so I can enjoy it offline.  So a WLAN
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> connect
> to wlan, and upload quickly my email replies.

I'll make another pitch for QMail.  Once you get past the initial setup,
it'll let you retrieve your GMail (via IMAP), your Usenet groups (with full
text) and even RSS feeds on a single connection, disconnect, compose replies,
then send them all at the next connection.
jeffambrose424@gmail.com - 31 Jan 2008 12:47 GMT
> I'll make another pitch for QMail.  Once you get past the initial setup,
> it'll let you retrieve your GMail (via IMAP), your Usenet groups (with full
> text) and even RSS feeds on a single connection, disconnect, compose replies,
> then send them all at the next connection.

I'll make QMail my top priority.  Many thanks for the registry keys
help,
I think it will be an easier fix by reinstalling Opera.

It's funny, because when I look over programs to evaluate, the WM2003
platform
makes me feel like I"m a WIN93SE user all over again, wandering the
lonely streets
of Windows XP users. LOL
"Hi, I don't have Mobile 6.0, but I did use listerine"

QMail sounds amazing, I'll go head first into it.  Nice timing, I'm
installing
a Linux platform on a desktop soon.  Ahh, command prompt days.

I guess this spells the end of this thread.  I'll most likely open new
threads
in the coming days to address if maybe, just maybe, gmail can find
support
with sending my emails with an SSL add on, maybe if I can get
newsbreak's
Today plug-in to work, and probably a million other little software
things I can't
figure out on my own after scrolling through menus.  Or I'll just
figure it
out and spare Usenet the misery.

A big thanks again, Qmail, Newsbreak, everything, woulden't have
happened without
your generous sharing of your time.  HAPPY NEW YEAR.  (I know, I know,
late January....)
Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen [MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices] - 31 Jan 2008 13:22 GMT
Also, don't forget to check out my Qmail tutorials, particularly the NNTP
one. Also, ModernNomads has a tutorial on setting up e-mail accounts.
Finally, in my IMAP Bible, I've explained how this needs to be done in
Qmail.

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>> I'll make another pitch for QMail.  Once you get past the initial setup,
>> it'll let you retrieve your GMail (via IMAP), your Usenet groups (with
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> your generous sharing of your time.  HAPPY NEW YEAR.  (I know, I know,
> late January....)
Todd Allcock - 31 Jan 2008 03:41 GMT
> Version 4.20.0 (Build 13252) 1996-2003
> Processor Intel (R) PXA255
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> ROM Revison:  1.00.07 ENG
> OS Version Windows CE 4.20

So you could flash it to 1.10.  I've never used an HP 43xx, so I can't tell
you what's "fixed" (or broken!) by the new ROM.

> I get the feeling you prefer older PPC's to the newer ones. . . .

Tough call- I really like some of the improvements, but in other ways it's
a step backwards.  Messaging (the new "Inbox") and IE Mobile (the new
Pocket IE) have been improved, WM6 has a native VoIP app, but we've lost
any included backup app, Activesync can't sync over WiFi or the internet
via VPN any more, and persistent memory, while useful, really slows the
device down.


> So there *ARE* programs running of SD cards exclusively.  Nice.
> Now do they say they do that, or use terminology to say that
> in their programs descriptions?  (SD native, or something like that)

Generally any program will run off of SD, with a few exceptions (that are
usually spelled out in the apps documentation.

Having said that, some programs _shouldn't_ be installed to/run from SD-
anything that autoruns on boot, like Today Screen plug-ins or memory
resident programs such as battery/system monitors, etc. (since the SD card
might not be present, which might give unpredictable results) and anything
that requires the utmost speed of execution (since RAM is faster to SD.)
In my experience, though, practically anything runs from SD.
Werner "Menneisyys" Ruotsalainen [MVP - Windows - Mobile Devices] - 30 Jan 2008 09:14 GMT
Yup, iPAQ BAckup is highly recommended.

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>> That's where I want to be able to make "backups" of the entire drive,
>> or restore points, as it were.  I've made 3 soft resets already, and
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> AFAIK, there's no WM5 upgrade, official or unofficial for the 43xx series-
> the 47xx series has one, but not 43xx.
lgadbois - 29 Jan 2008 21:17 GMT
There is no way that the ROM will be corrupted unless you reflash it with an
update or newer operating system. Replacement of the ROM is not really
practical or necessary.

As I add software or make configuration changes, I alway back up the entire
unit on a SD card. That way, if I need to do a hard reset, I can restore all
my Contacts, added programs, and return it to the way it was working before
the problem.

>> Correct.  The PPC's OS (WM2003 in the case of the 4355) is burned in the
>> device's ROM.  It's not supposed to be on the CD.
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> buying
> the whole unit again (much like the LCD screen)
jeffambrose424@gmail.com - 29 Jan 2008 21:39 GMT
> As I add software or make configuration changes, I alway back up the entire
> unit on a SD card. That way, if I need to do a hard reset, I can restore all
> my Contacts, added programs, and return it to the way it was working before
> the problem.

How do I do that?  How do I back up the entire unit on an SD card?
would it be like imaging the whole drive, so incase the unit has to be
fully reset (reinstalled. . . .) I can just restore the image?
I got bluetooth working ok, but maybe the cradle and USB is better?
I always like to make restore points.. . . .
 
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